you've only just spotted it? i've been pondering it for a long time...

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Ive personally never seen it, so great find

Fulham Locksmiths

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Well spotted!

Not new though - it's been running for over a decade but must have had a rebranding from FIAPC Ltd.

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well spotted, well done

kub

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The other way is to get information from Companies House. The website says it was founded in 1998 and has changed its name from Bricking Builders Limited, but to find out more costs cash - although this seems to be single figures of quids, it's more than my curiosity weighs.

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Well, I suppose you could contact Mr Lydon himself - however that is done - and ask him. No doubt he'd either by mightily miffed or highly amused if someone was copying the logo. Or maybe the company does have something to do with him - or one of his brothers. I do vaguely remember reading something about him being into property when he was in the jungle. Does FiL also have a branch in LA, I wonder?

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Yeah contact the Lydon himself- i bet he will have his attack lawyers on the scene and will thank you to boot

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Unfortunately I don't think there's any way of contacting John Lydon (unless you're a mate, and you have his phone number, etc). The email info on his website basically gives potential correspondents the brush-off.

If this is someone else using the PiL logo for their own business, I'd say there's a clear trademark infringement there. I'm sure John would gleefully haul them through every court in the land, cackling outrageously all the while.

But that's exactly the reason I don't think it is someone else. A competent and well-funded property development company (as FiL must surely be, because you don't bankroll apartment projects in a hot spot like Kingston without knowing what you're doing, and without having a big wedge of cash to hand) wouldn't expose itself to that kind of obvious legal own goal.

The only reason FiL are using the PiL logo is because they're allowed - and that's got to mean John's involved. But I don't think it's possible to squeeze a confirmation out of the man himself.

I suppose the one sure way of proving this would be to fork out a fee for the company info, as zotz mentioned above. If John's a director, his name will be listed. Then again, he might be involved without actually being a director, in which case I'd have paid up for nothing.

Maybe the best option is to bung an email in the direction of the Fodderstompf website (from which I nicked the small PiL logo in my main post, he says, hastily dishing up credit). Maybe they'll know about John the property tycoon, maybe they won't. Either way, I'm sure they'd be interested in the sudden outbreak of PiL logos all over the west London hinterland...

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I know someone who possibly does have a contact route for Mr L.
Personally I would be chuffed.
Old Punks turned into business entrepreneurs

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you do realize that the sexpistols where named young buisnessmen of the year back in the day right? What's wrong with earning some money? Being poor sucks.

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http://youbetter.net/page2.html

3rd paragraph or just google variations of John Lydon property developer

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He's supposed to have done a few deals in America near where he lives, but I don't think he has a huge business. (Burt Ward who played Robin does the same thing!)

The thing which maybe determines the legality is whether PIL designed their own logo in the first place.

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As I recall, the small print on the first PiL album says 'designed by PiL and Terry Jones'.

Not the Monty Python man - this is the other Terry Jones who later founded I-D Magazine, which, believe it or not, was a bit of a punkzine in its early days.

I dunno if that means Terry Jones still has a few rights in the logo. If it was a straight-up design job his clients (in this case, Pil, which nowadays means John Lydon) would own it outright once he'd finished it and been paid. Possibly Fulham Investments Limited might be Terry's enterprise, but if he wanted to do something clever with a logo you'd think he'd use his own I-D magazine masthead...

My money's still on John!

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FiL's owner (Mark Lawson) is interviewed in the Surrey Comet this week, where he is crowing about having demolished the White Horse pub on London Road so as to build yet more flats. There aren't going to be any pubs left in Kingston at this rate.

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